What Are Friends For

Clark Moore: Soul Friends

February 16, 2021 Gabrielle Ruiz & Pallavi Sastry Season 3 Episode 3
What Are Friends For
Clark Moore: Soul Friends
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What Are Friends For
Clark Moore: Soul Friends
Feb 16, 2021 Season 3 Episode 3
Gabrielle Ruiz & Pallavi Sastry

This week we are joined by the most genuine soul himself, Clark Moore! We discuss friendship and the divine, and how the "self-care" industry can actually create problems within your relationships. Also, a discussion of the wonders of claw-feet bathtubs! You can find Clark Moore hosting the podcast Soul Balm, and on social media at @mrclarkmoore.

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Show Notes Transcript

This week we are joined by the most genuine soul himself, Clark Moore! We discuss friendship and the divine, and how the "self-care" industry can actually create problems within your relationships. Also, a discussion of the wonders of claw-feet bathtubs! You can find Clark Moore hosting the podcast Soul Balm, and on social media at @mrclarkmoore.

Get free delivery on your first grocery order of $35 or more at instacart.oloiyb.net/WAFF

Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/waffpodcast) or follow us everywhere @waffpodcast

Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/waffpodcast)

Pallavi Sastry 0:

00 I know really What are friends for Gabrielle? I don't know why I said it that way that

Gabrielle Ruiz 0:

20 is so genuine Pallavi? That is the most genuinely question you've ever had. What made you want to say it that way for this episode?

Pallavi Sastry 0:

27 I think it's because I know who are like our guest today is sort of like in that self help sort of realm. And so that's probably a true question. Like, I know, we ask everyone that question, but I'll it's like, I want to actually know what this person thinks

Gabrielle Ruiz 0:

42 You also have a little bit of like beef about self help. So

Pallavi Sastry 0:

46 Yeah, we'll get into that.

Gabrielle Ruiz 0:

47 So but my point my point is, is like, Is that why you said it that way? Like, you don't believe in self help?

Pallavi Sastry 0:

51 I don't know. I was also just going by the seat of my pants. I don't I'm trying to be a little more unfiltered.

Gabrielle Ruiz 0:

57 That's good for you.

Pallavi Sastry 0:

58 Yeah.

Gabrielle Ruiz 0:

58 Good for you. Maybe it's because we've been on other people's podcasts. And we're like, wow, everyone has so many different you know, ways of doing their intros like pink lemonade stand those two those girls, Heidi Nicole, I mean, we are so different.

Pallavi Sastry 1:

13 We're so different. And, and I think

Gabrielle Ruiz 1:

16 I love it.

Pallavi Sastry 1:

17 I it's also like, I'm just trying to like not give myself rules, because there are just so many rules in the world. Like, why am I trying to give myself any sort of guidelines when this is my goddamn show? So,

Gabrielle Ruiz 1:

30 Amen.

Unknown Speaker 1:

32 Welcome. Welcome, everybody. This is a new season a new us. We're so happy to be here.

Pallavi Sastry 1:

38 Yes. And the date today is 1 21 21, 12121

Gabrielle Ruiz 1:

44 The day after inauguration. 46. President I mean, what a glorious day.

Pallavi Sastry 1:

50 It really was. I did a dance and put in my underwear and put it on Instagram. That's what I did.

Gabrielle Ruiz 1:

56 Oh, I woke up at 5am to watch the whole thing to watch like, from the beginning to the end. I was like this is as important to me as when I was told how important Princess Diana's wedding was or any wedding any any like, you know, Royal Wedding or royal funeral. Like this is more important, obviously. And so I got up and I was just I felt like Christmas. For sure, like Christmas, opening up the presence of my future for my children.

Pallavi Sastry 2:

23 And I definitely got a little teary eyed I'm not gonna lie. Oh, Camila. Davey Harris when she

Gabrielle Ruiz 2:

29 Mamilla

Pallavi Sastry 2:

30 Yes. And like I saw her in that purple. And I was just like, this is this. We've all arrived, we've arrived.

Gabrielle Ruiz 2:

37 We've all No, I got it. I applauded and cried. And I am so excited for this new year. And this new season for what our friends for Thank you, everybody, for joining us again, as every every episode, every week, when we drop our episodes, your ratings and reviews make a huge difference to our show. Just getting us out there and voicing what you think of our show. And like, you know, maybe it's a one star, that's okay, but like, you know, give us all of them. We feel like we are stars,

Pallavi Sastry 3:

05 Yeah

Gabrielle Ruiz 3:

10 Keep going. So, no,

Pallavi Sastry 3:

11 I was gonna say I was gonna say that, you know, if you you either give us a review, that's great. But like, we also have merch now. So like, you could just like snap a photo of yourself in a queue in our cute slay hat and like tag us on Instagram. And that also helps like all of those like algorithms working together.

Gabrielle Ruiz 3:

28 I hate magnets, but I like ours. So call me bias. But like I just I saw and I was like this is pretty cute. We're so cute as little cartoon faces and I stuck it on my refrigerator. Anyway, this is not the segue you know, I want to say our guest today is a good friend of mine, as well as a wonderful inside and out human being. I mean, I have so much anxiety on set when it comes to like becoming friends with people versus just colleagues and this this actor, writer and host of the podcast soul balm by Clark Moore spoiler there Clark Moore is one of the first friends I feel like I genuinely made on the cat on the show crazy ex girlfriend and I'm so happy that he is part of our season as one of our guests friends. Welcome to WAFF.

Clark Moore 4:

14 Hi, thanks for having me.

Pallavi Sastry 4:

18 Well, you're Fun fact, though, is really it's fun because I actually want to see this unfold before I forgot

Clark Moore 4:

23 what I wrote.

Pallavi Sastry 4:

24 I forgot that you've seen the Devil Wears Prada more times than you can count. Oh, yo, Gabrielle What do you have to say about that?

Gabrielle Ruiz 4:

32 I challenge that

Clark Moore 4:

34 I hey, challenge me

Gabrielle Ruiz 4:

36 also like why haven't we spoken about this?

Clark Moore 4:

38 It's honestly insane. Gabrielle because, first of all, not only am I a Devil Wears Prada, super fan, but it's so much a part of my life, that it just sort of comes out naturally in my Instagram and I didn't even think about that. Or connect it to the fact that our former boss Aline Brosh McKenna.

Gabrielle Ruiz 4:

57 Yes.

Clark Moore 4:

58 Executive producer at crazy ex girlfriend also wrote Devil Wears Prada. So one day, as I do, I was just watching Devil Wears Prada for like the 1 million time. And I posted about it on Instagram like I always do. And she was like, I had no idea that you were a huge fan. And so now she every time I post, she, she sends me a link will send me she'll send me like, means Devil Wears Prada memes all the time. And I send them to her too. And then also One day, she randomly was like, hey, Clark, I have a gift for you Come by the office. And I was like, I know, I was like, what, like, literally out of nowhere, I have a gift for you. She calls me to her office. This is pre pandemic, I want to say like right before maybe January or February. And she has this cute office in like, actually probably not far from you probably somewhere in mid city. And she has the title of her like the logo lean machine, which is the name of her production company. It's so cute. I walk in and she starts recording me. Because you know, she loves recording, you know, she loves memories and take and she's like waiting for my reaction. And then here is

Gabrielle Ruiz 6:

12 giving you this gift and now you're on camera. So yeah, okay. Yeah, like,

Clark Moore 6:

17 just what? Exactly, I'm like, What could this possibly be? Keep in mind? I like I did not expect, you know, like, if Aline was like, Hey, I have something for you. I'm like, how could you possibly have anything, let alone a gift. So I show up. And this is what she has in her in the hands of her assistant. These two little pop dolls. That she not only did she think see these and think Clark would love these, which is true. This is Andy in the Chanel boots. Yes, those are the Chanel boots. And this is Miranda in the classic look from the opening, of course with the Prada handbag, okay, and the shoes and the sunglasses. And she says, I scoured the internet. And I bid on these on eBay. And I won the auction and I want you to have them. I was shook I was this is truly the nicest present. The most thoughtful present I've gotten in my whole life. Okay. We were friends. I thought she was my boss. And now turns out there's this friendship because I'm a super fan. And also, she did an event at vulture, which was this like,

Gabrielle Ruiz 7:

37 there's more. There's more with Clark with Clark Moore.

Clark Moore 7:

41 She did an event at honestly, that's what my podcast should have been. Well, that's what season three. Yeah, so she did this event at vulture, which was for the 10 year anniversary, I think would have been 2019 something like that 10 year anniversary. Or maybe it was random like 11 year but anyway, they were like we're gonna do Devil Wears Prada trivia and whoever gets the questions, right, wins. And of course, I got all the questions right. And I won a signed copy of the script.

Gabrielle Ruiz 8:

21 Just for our Patreon subscribers, Clark is literally showing this on camera right now. He is literally showing off right now. Okay,

Clark Moore 8:

28 and that's why I said Bring it girl because now every time I watch Not only do I watch I read along and I'm like, What do we have here? Okay,

Pallavi Sastry 8:

40 that's like the shooting script.

Clark Moore 8:

42 So this is it. There's some changes but Oh, and of course I flipped to the best monologue you're not you're not trying you're whining you're whining you want me to say Oh, are you Miranda's picking on you? She's just doing her job wake up six six

Gabrielle Ruiz 9:

02 because you seem to be in it oh my god i mean okay, so I lost obviously because a Alien never gave me shit no kidding she means she gave me a series regular okay regular all she bumped me up from guest star she gave me a lot too

Clark Moore 9:

16 Honesty now though she's gonna shower you now that you she knows now that it's out there all you have to do to her yeah never get spread Gabrielle

Gabrielle Ruiz 9:

27 We're so happy that you're here on our podcast.

Clark Moore 9:

30 Thank you for having me.

Gabrielle Ruiz 9:

31 Oh my gosh.

Pallavi Sastry 9:

32 I already having like a lovely friendly conversation before that and like we'll we'll get into like the the meatiness and talking about your show soul balm later on. But I asked Gabrielle beforehand. I was like, Is he gonna be okay if I asked him a controversial question. He's like she said he's the loveliest person.

Clark Moore 9:

48 I love controversy.

Pallavi Sastry 9:

49 Love it.

Clark Moore 9:

55 I love it. I love watching. I love dissonance. I love let's get into it. Let's unpack this on my therapist used to say all the time. Well, let's get into it

Gabrielle Ruiz 10:

03 a little bit. Let's get into our first segment

Singing 10:

05 Instafriends or Reality

Gabrielle Ruiz 10:

11 Basically, what our segment is, is we love to dive deep into our guest friends, Instagram posts, and sometimes it's the most recent sometimes it's not but we did choose your most recent and what we love about what we love we talk about with our friends because Pallavi Pallavi and I did this a lot before we started the show was like, Oh my god, how glamorous that made pictures. Amazing. And you're like, honey, this is actually what happened.

Clark Moore 10:

33 Yeah

Gabrielle Ruiz 10:

34 And there's a lot of that, you know, friends versus Instagram versus reality. So with Insta friend conversations or reality, we want to dive into your January 9 posts near you the photo is a screenshot of a tweet that's from Soul Balm that says you can also start your day with a healing bath running water? Yes, yes. It's like a hack. Right? And so and then also it's like a beautiful running water. Is that your tub?

Clark Moore 11:

00 No

Gabrielle Ruiz 11:

05 That's the second right there, baby. That's it. Friends. That's it. Okay, let's start with that. Let's unpack that.Whose tub is that?

Clark Moore 11:

14 tub from? I stayed in the hotel, I left my house once it during quarantine, the only time that I've left. I mean, I've let gone out that door. But I stayed in a hotel for three days, because I needed because I had points but also because that they were expiring MPs.

Pallavi Sastry 11:

33 expiring. I love them. I love that

Unknown Speaker 11:

35 you know, it was like for most practical like if I didn't have to if I didn't have that feeling of like, well, the money is going to be gone. You know, like they kept emailing being new being like, your credits are going to expire on December 31. So you need to use these or lose them for hotel.

Gabrielle Ruiz 11:

52 That's the only control they have right now.

Unknown Speaker 11:

54 That's it. And also, by the way, of course I booked. I was like, well, I'll use the credits. And then there's all these extra fees on top. And then also like they had a special going where it was like, if you do two nights, then they'll do the third one on us quote unquote, so like, sure you'd get a free third night. Of course, they don't tell you that they still tax you on that third night. So it's like you're paying for the tax of three nights even, you know. So anyway, I ended up spending hundreds of dollars when the intention was to just use your credits. Yeah. And, and anyway, the the hotel was beautiful, but also and this is another like Instagram versus reality thing. I got there. And the idea was for it to be relaxing, and for it to be an escape from my normal life. And it was for about five minutes. I mean, when I walked in the door, like the light, it was really swanky hotel, the lights came on, and the music started playing. And it was really calming, and it smelled like essential oils. And I was like, wow, like, this is what life could be like. And then literally five minutes later, I was like, oh right, but I can't leave the room because of the pandemic. So I'm this is also my prison now. And I can't like I have to get all my meals delivered. Anyway, point being there was nothing to do. So I just went around and took photos of all the all the fixtures, all of the like Pallavi, we were talking about how you just moved into a new house or you're moving into one. And this is my and also how like it's so adult that we get excited about things like real estate or investments. I love a sconce, you know, I and I was taking a bath and I kept thinking like, you know, I have photos of the suds and the water and all these other things. And I was like, Oh, this could be nice or calming. But then I realized I had all of these videos and photos of the faucet. I don't know why is this brass faucet. Amazing water pressure.

Gabrielle Ruiz 13:

58 She's so pretty to like so pretty.

Clark Moore 14:

01 Yeah,

Gabrielle Ruiz 14:

02 You think that you will like replace your faucet in your apartment now because

Clark Moore 14:

05 I mean lol I wish I could do that or, and and part of the Instagram versus reality thing for me is also I mean, yes, it is an illusion for other people. But then I have historically experienced it as an illusion for myself when I got my step right. It was kind of like it doesn't matter if the bath is mine today or not. It was mine at one point for three days. And I will always remember what that felt like, you know?

Pallavi Sastry 14:

33 Yeah, well I offered you my studio for for your show. But I also have a clawfoot in there. So you can come and take a picture of that fixture anytime you want.

Clark Moore 14:

46 My feed is just gonna be your info interior Photoshop, photos of your house. That's where it's gonna be. That's my guy and

Unknown Speaker 14:

55 it's your new brand that you didn't even know. 2021 is looking up.

Clark Moore 14:

59 Hey, thank you. I'll take any gift that I can get honestly at this point.

Pallavi Sastry 15:

06 So what I wanted to know is like sort of the origin story of soul balm, like, you know, sort of like what your what your thing is, right? It's like finding these ways of coping and healing and rituals and all these things. So we love your openings with your producers. If you want to love her, but yeah, like, what Say that again, guys?

Gabrielle Ruiz 15:

27 Oh, honey Simone, your conversations with Simone are so funny.

Clark Moore 15:

30 Shout out to Simone. She's a good one. Like, she's one of those gems that you really just stumble onto because we started working together because she's truly a producer like her job outside of. I mean, even her job within the context of the show, she produces the show. And she books all of our guests. She's like, the talent Booker, or one of the segment producers, I am actually not sure her job is lol. A little late. She's an all star on the a little late with Lilly Singh. And she works with Steve Harvey before so she and she also was born and raised in LA. So she's very like, go with the flow. very chill. The opposite of me. I'm like hyper neurotic and obsessive. And so it's great that she's the one who is dealing with all of our logistics because it would drive me insane. And she is cool as a cucumber. But for soul balm, I mean, what's funny about that tweet, is that unintentionally, I mean, I just sort of like I'm trying to, and we can also get into my relationship with social media in general, which is constantly evolving and toxic. And in the context of this segment, I'm actually on a break, I deleted Instagram. I deleted anything

Gabrielle Ruiz 16:

47 Congrats.

Clark Moore 16:

48 Thank you just from the phone, but I deleted anything with a scroll feed. Because I realized that and even, like, even not even things like I deleted Pinterest, Tumblr. Anything that I was just going to sort of like, what's the word I'm looking for? reflexively, without thinking about it unconsciously just kind of like, oh, here's my phone, I'm gonna look at Instagram. I deleted Twitter too I'm talking like, it's, I'm talking like, I'm this monk who has lived without social media forever. I deleted it last night. So it literally has been 12 hours maybe. And I'm already like, struggling going through withdrawals. But the other side of that tweet was it's meant to be and this is kind of like baked into the show as well. On the one hand, it is hopefully helpful. And a pro tip that I do sometimes find it healing to take the time to take a bath in the morning because a shower can feel so rushed. And so like utilitarian, you know, I'm just getting the bits that need to be gotten so I can get into my day, as opposed to a bath, which feels like truly making space to celebrate yourself, you know, making space to take time, it's okay, if this goes a little bit more slowly. It's a you know, it's, as you said, much more ritualistic in that way. But then there's also the other side of it, which is that I usually only take baths in the morning when I'm really depressed. So it's like

Gabrielle Ruiz 18:

20 Really?

Clark Moore 18:

21 Lol you can also you know, like, here's where I'm at today, I started my day with the bath. Usually I end my day with a bath if I need help. I need so much help today. Started with it. Yeah. Um, and and so yeah, it's kind of like that, with the show. I'm always bouncing back and forth. Pallavi you were saying that you have weird feelings about self help. And I do too. It's like, I'm constantly trying to figure out how do I develop a relationship with self care that feels additive, rather than overly indulgent or, you know, like, making me depressed or anxious in other ways. You know, like, how am I truly? How am I finding moments of consciousness within my life? As opposed to Oh, Gwinnett said we need this. Here's $100.

Pallavi Sastry 19:

17 Right. capitalistic in that way. Right? Right. Exactly. Okay. Well, I mean, let me let me ask you my my question with my beef with self help, but

Clark Moore 19:

27 yes, please. That's why. You see, I told you I love

Pallavi Sastry 19:

31 You like went there too you like you're asking for it. So

Clark Moore 19:

34 I'm ready.

Pallavi Sastry 19:

34 So I've actually had this like I've had a debate with a couple of friends before because I feel like there are so many gurus and teachers and thought leaders and all of these buzzwords that are out there telling us what to do think feel how we can feel better, do better. All these things right? And what I want to know is is like I feel that the self Help industry has made us more cagey and internal instead of turning us into self less people, which is the point.

Clark Moore 20:

09 Yeah,

Pallavi Sastry 20:

09 right.

Clark Moore 20:

10 Yeah.

Pallavi Sastry 20:

10 Do you agree when I say does that mean?

Clark Moore 20:

12 100%? Yeah. So I've always been trying to, especially with soul bomb, I've been trying to, I've approached self help, in general in big quotation marks. And I'm always very careful of using that phrase, because it means something different to everybody. I always approach it as like, What are you trying? You know, like, I don't know if that's gonna work for me. And I don't know if what I'm doing is going to work for you. But like, what has made you feel good, I always ask that what has made you feel good today? This, this mantra has been going through my head a lot these past couple of weeks, which is that I'm less interested in people who have answers. And I'm more interested in people who have questions, you know, I don't really need because I know that there is no answer to the root of my onwy, which is existence, you know, we are here for a temporary amount of time, there is a an inherent sadness to that. That sort of is like bubbling up and all of these different ways, right? You're sad that something ended because it reminds you of mortality reminds you that everything's temporary anyway. And then how does that manifest in your relationships? How does that manifest in the choices and these things that you're making? So I'm more curious about like, Yeah, what are the moments that you can find that you can create in your life that gives you a conscious connection to your spirit separates you from body separates you from mind? And it's really just that like, it's really just that light source that connects to the divine you know, we can call it something in any every religion has something to call it, but it's all the same. It's that spirit, it's that soul

Gabrielle Ruiz 21:

53 so so leaning into what you're saying, when it comes to your friendships, have you end and creating soul bomb your podcast and having these conversations with I'm assuming with friends and with also non friends like, yeah, in your in your life? What What has it that you've been doing to make you feel good with your friends and soothing your anxieties in this in this socially, distance world?

Clark Moore 22:

15 Yeah, I mean, that's, that's why I love the conceit of this show. Because we take friendship for granted. Because it's something that's so built into our lives from the beginning. You know, we make these friends because of circumstance.

Pallavi Sastry 22:

30 Proximity a lot of the time

Clark Moore 22:

31 Exactly! 99% of my friends are people I met through work or school. And there are occasionally people who are close to me that are maybe like a friend of a friend or like we met random. I'm also the person who collects people. So I mean, I'm not inviting people to interact with me on an airplane. But if we somehow magically have this conversation, 30,000 feet in the air, then I am the person that's like, Okay, sure. I'll take your number and maybe text you once every year or two years, you know,

Gabrielle Ruiz 23:

01 wow, that's impressive

Clark Moore 23:

02 I just. I'm that kind of like Malcolm Gladwell, in the tipping point would call me a connector. I'm the kind of I just love to have all these different, and then connect them with each other and then you know, and so this is this has been really hard. I love community community is something that's really important to me, it's where I thrive. It's why I love being on set so much Gabrielle because I love B I'm like, this is a party this is like summer camp, you know? And I don't know I'm kind of rambling because I don't have an answer to your question because this is something that I'm struggling with. I am lonely a lot these days as I think we all are. And I have a couple of friends that I'm able to see in person that I'm able to touch physically like physical touch is one of my love languages. And but it's a very small number. Fortunately the podcast in that way has kind of saved me because it forces connection and it forces deep connection because that's the other thing if you interact with me at a party if you see me at like a function or an event I'm not the like oh, it's a great da- beautiful weather today, you know, no rain to it. I'm like so tell me what's going on

Gabrielle Ruiz 23:

27 I know this about you No, really, Pallavi I love diving deep into platonic love with you. It has really gotten me through this pandemic

Pallavi Sastry 24:

29 Same here Gabrielle and you know, we are happily working so hard to produce this slay content for all of our listeners.

Gabrielle Ruiz 24:

36 Uh Yeah, that's why I'm so glad we joined Patreon. Hey, Patreon

Pallavi Sastry 24:

41 and Patreon is the opportunity for our listeners to get exclusive perks from us all while supporting our podcast streams. What kind of perks by the way? Let me tell you about them perks. Okay, our Patreon page has tiers to choose from so you can pick the WAFF perks that speak to you, for example, just for joining as a WAFF friend patrons automatically get access to the vodcast. Gabrielle tell them what a vodcast is.

Gabrielle Ruiz 25:

04 It's the video version of our podcast where you can see us and our guests friends interviewed on camera and wait for it. It's only $2 a month.

Pallavi Sastry 25:

13 Yes, it gets better. We are also offering the option to join us for a monthly live show and QA. Oh my God, that's

Gabrielle Ruiz 25:

20 amazing. So they can ask us about anything.

Pallavi Sastry 25:

22 Not only can they ask us anything, there's even a few tiers where they could come on and win a chance to meet our guests friends to ask them anything.

Gabrielle Ruiz 25:

30 Slay, slay, slay you know, I think what we're most proud of is that 10% of all proceeds from our Patreon page, go to charity. So not only are we focusing on great content for you, we also get the opportunity to give back.

Pallavi Sastry 25:

41 So you're saying that all you got to do to get these perks is [email protected] slash walk podcast, that's W A F F podcast. And that directly helps us keep making the show.

Gabrielle Ruiz 25:

52 That's exactly what I'm saying.

Pallavi Sastry 25:

54 Because that's what friends are for. Now back to off.

Gabrielle Ruiz 25:

59 Well, we love soul balm. We love Simone and I fully through Esther Povitsky, which is so much fun because she's also a crazy ex girlfriend love. And we're so happy that you guys are going to have another season we highly recommend it to everybody when it comes to literally soothing your soul and anxiety talking to other people about it with what we we recommend Clark's podcast.

Clark Moore 26:

25 Thank you

Gabrielle Ruiz 26:

26 take a listen. You know, take a listen because we could talk for hours and hours, obviously, but I think probably we should move on to our next segment

Singing 26:

33 Lightning WAFF

Pallavi Sastry 26:

35 best part about this lightning round is it's all about friendship. So it should be fairly easy to keep it brief. But if you need to get deep, please do. Alright, first question. Are you someone that has none? one or multiple best friends?

Clark Moore 26:

52 Oh, everybody's my best friend. Yeah.

Pallavi Sastry 26:

56 And how do you keep in touch?

Clark Moore 27:

00 I am a big, I'm a big texter. I mean, this is one of the things that makes it difficult about having gotten rid of all of those social media accounts last night is that that's one of the ways I mean, I respond to people's stories, or I'll like posts that they made on Facebook and then like, text them about it, you know, or I or just sort of like, orbit a lot of people on social media. And every now and then check in like, Hey, how's it going? What's up? You know, this looks interesting. What is this? Is there an update here that I've missed? I noticed that all of a sudden you are only posting photos of a whole other country that we didn't used to live in together before. And now I'm like, Huh, did you move maybe? So usually it's either texting or social media.

Pallavi Sastry 27:

48 Got it? You're a true Insta friend in that

Clark Moore 27:

50 I am. Can you tell that I'm having serious withdrawals? Like I said, I can't stop talking about it. But it's fine. I can quit anytime. Yeah.

Pallavi Sastry 27:

59 And in one word, or a minute, what type of friend are you some examples might be you're a problem solver. You're needy, or you're a listener? You're blunt, etc.

Clark Moore 28:

11 I am. Oh, gosh, that's great question. I am a therapist, I would say

Pallavi Sastry 28:

22 because we wrote one down for you actually.

Clark Moore 28:

24 Oh, really? What did you write? Well,

Gabrielle Ruiz 28:

27 we will based on what you said earlier in the pod is you are the connector.

Clark Moore 28:

31 Yeah, yeah, I am that too.

Gabrielle Ruiz 28:

33 Yeah. You're the you're the therapeutic connector, then.

Clark Moore 28:

35 Totally. Yeah, I just kind of feel very like come to me, I'll solve all your problems. Every day, you know, give me I'm a Pisces so I am able to process the dark.

Pallavi Sastry 28:

47 This is why I like you! I'm a cancer. We're both water signs. Yes. Water are the best signs for me.

Clark Moore 28:

52 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I like that connector. I like therapeutic connector. Yeah. Mm hmm.

Pallavi Sastry 28:

58 And what would you like to do better as a friend?

Clark Moore 29:

04 I always feel like I'm not actually showing up enough. I always feel like I i can i defuse I kind of see that as being my, my role in a lot of relationships as well. So I'm the kind of person that you know, if you call me and tell me your mom just died. I'm gonna be like, Oh, that's really sorry. I mean, that's really sad. I'm really sorry. And then probably make a really dark joke. You know, like, I'm the kind of I always want to make you feel better. I always want to lighten the mood. I always want to sort of like play in the inside the in and out of like, yeah, life is really hard and sad and also beautiful at the same time. It's not either or. So I'm yeah, that's where I live.

Gabrielle Ruiz 29:

50 You offer that's that soothing that that soul bomb.

Clark Moore 29:

53 I try to I really want to I mean, sometimes people are like, That's not funny. My mom just died and Like, right, okay, so was not a time for a bit. Got it?

Gabrielle Ruiz 30:

06 And then finally, Clark, our final iconic question, What are friends for?

Clark Moore 30:

11 Friends are for life. I mean, friends are our life friends are the magic. And, you know, speaking of death, actually a friend of mine and a high school friend of mine just passed away yesterday and I hadn't spoken to him in a really long time. And this is actually sort of getting back to one of the difficulties of being a connector or being a person that has all of these relationships is that I have a I have a lot of deep relationships. But I would say the vast majority of them are more surface. And this was a person who I had a deep relationship with, but still valuable to me like surface is also just as important. Like, I need confection I need Sir, I need sugar, I need all that stuff just as much as I need, like the meat and potatoes, right? What the hell is this metaphor that I'm struggling with?

Gabrielle Ruiz 31:

06 I'm with you.

Clark Moore 31:

07 Anyway. So he passed away yesterday and my grandmother called me last night and she was like, are you okay? And I was like, Yeah, I'm fine. Why wouldn't I be okay? And she was like, Well, you know, he was a really big part of your, your life growing up, he was a really close friend of yours when you're in high school. And even if you haven't been in touch forever, she's very religious. So she said, God creates these relationships for us within our time here so that we get value out of our existence, you know, and I I am religious, I'm spiritual I choose to sort of I view religion sort of as like a prism or a lens to understand the world sort of like a metaphor. And I and I like the Christian metaphor, it just sort of like makes sense to me. It's what I was raised and it gives me comfort. But But my point being what our friends for they are for us to experience the divine in this life, they are for us to see ourselves and each other. They are for us to they're here for us to commune with past spirits all of the you know, people and spirits and people who are moving within me on any given day. And they're our connection to God they're our connection to the universe. They're everything friends are for everything.

Gabrielle Ruiz 32:

35 Hmm.

Clark Moore 32:

37 Is that a good answer?

Gabrielle Ruiz 32:

38 Very good answer.

Pallavi Sastry 32:

39 I was snapping but I wasn't snapping till now.

Gabrielle Ruiz 32:

42 That is how you drop that podcast Mike Clark and that's how you wrap an episode of what our friends for with Clark Moore as our guest friend Thank you for coming on.

Clark Moore 32:

52 Thank you for having me. And lovely Gabrielle and great meeting you Pallavi now we're friends

Pallavi Sastry 32:

56 to course you can text me once a year if you want and

Clark Moore 33:

01 I will update on that clawfoot tub please yeah.

Gabrielle Ruiz 33:

07 Clark How can our friends our friend listeners stay in touch with you

Clark Moore 33:

11 I am Mr. Clark more on every platform that I deleted last night. And I will be back sooner than later. So go find me.

Unknown Speaker 33:

20 And anything in your world to shout out going on that you won't be

Clark Moore 33:

23 so excited about season two, I don't know what our date is going to be. Maybe it's already out maybe in this future world that these listeners are living in. That is the only thing on on my calendar. So please go listen to it.

Gabrielle Ruiz 33:

39 Well, thank you everyone for rating and reviewing What are friends for go check out waffshop.com we've got amazing merch that you can send your best friends, your BFFs your platonic loves, we really really just want to be able to feel like you can also gift platonic love not just only give to friends and family or anyone that's like an intimate connection of yours it's also about you know the other friendships too. So go check that out. Thank you for your support Thank you Clark Moore I love you Pallavi

Pallavi Sastry 34:

08 I love you too

Gabrielle Ruiz 34:

09 bye

Clark Moore 34:

10 bye

Pallavi Sastry 34:

14 1234 This episode was produced by Team Access productions and fast nickel Inc. our supervising producer is Philip Pisanchyn.

Unknown Speaker 34:

22 Our consulting producers are Kathleen Cho and Rose hardwood. 25 Head of production and marketing is Eva Ratcliffe digital content director is Suzy Cabello. Our production assistants are Daniella Herediavega, Solaire Olsen and Megann Billedo. Our podcast artwork is created by our Asurya Shucase original music is by Joey Sherman, and special thanks to irresistible force publicity Bailey Disler and Hari Savitala. Please remember to subscribe rate and review this podcast wherever you're listening to it now, this helps the show's visibility and helps us keep making it for you.

Gabrielle Ruiz 34:

54 And find us on all the socials Instagram, Facebook, Twitter and tik tok at WOF podcast. That's W A F F podcast, To find links to our exclusive vodcast live shows shop merch or even text us visit waffpodcast.com.

Pallavi Sastry 35:

07 We truly appreciate you all checking in with us online. But you know that friend that you've been like, Oh, I really haven't checked in with them in a while. Go do that.

Gabrielle Ruiz 35:

17 Yeah. Go do that. Now.

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